Racialicious article: NPR sortof hates Black music.
http://www.racialicious.com/2009/10/20/npr-sort-of-hates-%e2%80%9cblack-music%e2%80%9d/#comment-2030405
in a way its nice perhaps as a so-called south-asian to not have to deal with these sorts of things. there is, after all, no concept of what brown-skinned “indian-looking” folk listen to. The only crap i could assume would be potentially, beyond Ravi Shankar, probably Bollywood movie soundtracks (which do sell well), or perhaps Bhangra (which’s regionally specific to my grandparents, all four, place of origin). Beyond that… perhaps the whole grime/hip-hop/rnb deal going on over in the UK that brit “asians” seem to be getting into.
But yeah… i think that without being raised within a Sikh and Indian-American community, I would have never been exposed to all that, not just the music itself, but the knowledge that such music was listened to within the Indian-American, and to a lesser extent Asian-American diaspora in America.
So, while in a way it’s a shame we don’t really find music that originates in India, or music written/performed/sold by Indian-Americans aka South Asians aka Brown Skinned easterners… heh. (i’d rather be called brown-skinned than indian as i have no tie to the country, and its really the skin they’re trying to classify me by, so do it outright, goddammit, heh)… while thats a shame, its nice in a way that we don’t have such misconceptions about our community.
although… perhaps you could say that what we have instead is worse… that burning hole of absolute lack of knowledge about our community by outsiders, in any way whatsoever… no education in the schools, really no exposure to the Joe Schmo besides their television and perhaps for the few vigilant detectives, net searches.
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Racialicious makes some comments on racist halloween costumes
http://www.racialicious.com/2009/10/21/the-racialicious-halloween-roundup/#comment-2030426
interesting. i had an… interesting halloween experience in 2003. freshman at the Ohio State University meant I was dragged out to the OU halloween party, a massive city-wide drunk-fest, where folk dress in costume and get pissed, New Orleans-Mardi Gras style ‘cept out in the Midwest. So back then I had long hair, a putka, which is akin to the turban, as a kid in a predominantly-Sikh family. Whilst I’d raised protests to the outward sign of faith that more or less was a personal lie, i was strongarmed into keeping the hair intact by my folks. (don’t worry, that didn’t last, fast forward 6 years and we’ve since reconciled over my long-since shorn hair, heh)
But back to the story, walking the streets, semi-blasted myself, with my gargantuan local friend and former Highschool classmate, and folk’d glance me, drunk themselves, and decry “Osama!” Now… more or less these guys got a bit of a break, given that it was Halloween… I was cautioned to give them some space, as my first gut instinct was to sock the guy in the face, but i was held back by said gargantuan friend… this happened a couple times in the night…
long story short, i had just gone out without a costume, none of us in our group had one, as we’d just impromptu driven to the town for the drinks, and had no idea there’d be a city-wide street-side Halloween party boozefest. All in all the crawl was pleasant, hardly anyone bothered me really, but the thing is… essentially I’d been taken for a halloween costume… my parental-encourage religious garb, sign of faith, had been reduced to a pop-culture reference of extremely offending nature… lovely.
Monday, October 26, 2009
boston #1
the musicians here just sound goofy. like they just never play it right. sing too soft. and like just too awkward. all these guys sound goofy. they don't sound as awesome as bands that you'd expect. everyone's depressed. they just dn't seem talented. they seem afraid of what they're doing too. that's probably because they live in boston. they feel like if theyre not like every other person then theyre goofy.
they try as hard as they can to make everyone feel shitty who doesn't fit into their thing. if you don't look like them, or if you choose not to surround yourself by a crowd, they just want to keep you in place. they want to make sure you never get too ambitious. there's always going to be someone to try and remind you that you're shitty. i feel worried about living here, i think it'll change how i sound. i'll lose all my energy and i'll just become soft. i have not seen a single punk band. the only remotely punk thing about one guy was his mohawk. but thats just a uniform. musically the guy didn't play punk.
the prevailing opinion of boston people seems to be to be depressed as fuck. you have to understand these guys are full of shit. it amazes me how shitty all these people are. almost whiney. and afraid. we can't live here.
they try as hard as they can to make everyone feel shitty who doesn't fit into their thing. if you don't look like them, or if you choose not to surround yourself by a crowd, they just want to keep you in place. they want to make sure you never get too ambitious. there's always going to be someone to try and remind you that you're shitty. i feel worried about living here, i think it'll change how i sound. i'll lose all my energy and i'll just become soft. i have not seen a single punk band. the only remotely punk thing about one guy was his mohawk. but thats just a uniform. musically the guy didn't play punk.
the prevailing opinion of boston people seems to be to be depressed as fuck. you have to understand these guys are full of shit. it amazes me how shitty all these people are. almost whiney. and afraid. we can't live here.
Sunday, October 25, 2009
talking to a madman #2
so yeah, the guys basically still on there. my own insult of the guy got taken off which i kinda wish they hadnt done. basically... yeah.
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it's a shame that my honest views get deleted off this thread. Jessy, you're asking personal questions that i have no interest in answering. Furthermore, you've totally changed the discussion from something i was interested in, to something that i'm not. You're outright attacking me, whilst i really am more or less indifferent to you, outside of the dislike of these attacks, which i could describe in great detail the level of my dislike, but apparently, these are well moderated forums, if youre a newcomer your thoughts wont stay, but you seem to be on the inside. so congratulations for that. getting away with saying such things as "half-baked" "i pity you" and accusing me of "doing ... propoganda" as well as "you guys are wasting your time and just full of air" and "you are nothing... get it." classy.
"Live with the TRUTH.. do not build FALSE WALLS.. and assume that is TRUTH.. because thats what sets WRONG and RIGHT apart.. a THEIF.. sitting in the CELL .. does not admit he did it.. he thinks. he has the right.. or that whats the harm.. Only a person who can see the WRONG. can tell him. what is RIGHT and what is WRONG..." - most of this is baloney. youre trying to give me advice as if im asking for any.
and the further nonsense, "I pity your knowledge... egoism... mundane effort... immature and half baked approach..." - apparently this is all great example for the kids who read these forums. insulting posters outright. clearly this doesn't deserve moderation. does it?
I basically read your entire post as one long personal attack. But the moderators don't seem to mind. Perhaps this post will get deleted too.
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"Sandeep.. if you were a Hindu or a Christian" - how does this have anything to do with what we're discussing?.
"I have no issues.. because they are not debating what you are debating.. When we did not give this right to them" - the right to discuss sikhism?
"since 400 years. why do you deserve.. on the other hand. you should NOT even try to debate this point..... this is utter HYPOCRICY..." - hypocrisy that i decide to discuss sikhism?
"You wrote "you do not see the unshorn kesh and pagh as a ritual. i do. "
Wow.. are you the new GURU" - sounds like an insult.
".. see tell me frankly if you believe in his words or not.." - why does it matter what i believe? i can discuss things regardless of belief.
"Tell me 3 things frankly.. no IFS or BUTS" - no thanks.
"- do you Agree and Believe with Gurujis words or not?" - assuming alot to think im going to bother answering.
"- do you believe in the GRANTH SAHIB from A-Z or not?" - you dont have to believe in something to discuss something.
"- Do you believe the HISTORY or not?" - are you suggesting that some of it was invented?
"if you say YES TO ALL" - bit silly hah.
". without any Reasoning then. lets talk." - in other words, youve got a list of things i need to go out and achieve for you... who made you the boss?
"else.. I think you guys are waisting TIME and just full of AIR..." - lovely, another insult.
"I am not here to change you.." - really? sure sounds like it.
"but I STOP you from doing your OWN propaganda.." - im laughing reading that. what propoganda? youre just inventing problems and whining about them.
"GURUJI's word is the FINAL.. YOURS is NOT" - actually they're dead, i'm not.
"It DOES Not matter what you think.." - lovely.
"because you are NOTHING.." - i bet you have lots of friends
"get it.. NOTHING compared to the GURUJIs..." - this is almost like deification of the guru's which is kinda defeating the purpose.
"Live with the TRUTH.." - this sounds like propoganda
"do not build FALSE WALLS.." - this doesnt even make sense
"and assume that is TRUTH.." - you sound like a televangelist.
"because thats what sets WRONG and RIGHT apart.." - you must think im really gullible.
"a THEIF.. sitting in the CELL .. does not admit he did it.." - strange analogy hah.
"he thinks. he has the right.. or that whats the harm.." - so youre comparing discussing a religion with a crime. lovely.
"Only a person who can see the WRONG. can tell him." - youre making a stretch here. its almost like you could have this scenario where people see wrong in practically anything, and essentially we're kept from doing whatever it is we want to do as the dude deems things "wrong." i'd rather live by my own views. than some strangers.
"what is RIGHT and what is WRONG..." - you act like i have no clue about morality. lovely.
"Even after reading all the words.. of GURU. you are still ADAMANT..,.. I pity you.." - lovely.
"I pity your knowledge.." - thats alot of pity.
"your EGOism.." - are you kidding me? your ego seems way bigger than mine. you after all are the one trying to passing judgement. and failing.
"your Mundae EFFORT to change DEFINITIONS..." - where exactly am i trying to do this? heh.
"your Immature and HALF BAKED approach" - lovely.
"to CUSTOMIZING religion..." - that doesnt even make good sense in english. how exactly does one "customize" a religion. it just sounds like a silly saying.
"and feel sad for you" - hah, doesn't sound that way.
"to DEFY the LAST word of GURU;s.." - you sound like living a free life is a life of defiance. thats weird.
"Read whatever you want to in between lines.." - thanks for the permission, but i do what i what regardless of what you write.
"but then thats what you will do your ENTIRE LIFE...." - are you a fortune teller now?
"and you will keep DOING IT.." - lovely.
"because.. in the future. someone is going to DEFY your though process as well...." - so how much for the palm reading? if you seriously think anyone is going to take that straight faced, youre living in fantasy.
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it's a shame that my honest views get deleted off this thread. Jessy, you're asking personal questions that i have no interest in answering. Furthermore, you've totally changed the discussion from something i was interested in, to something that i'm not. You're outright attacking me, whilst i really am more or less indifferent to you, outside of the dislike of these attacks, which i could describe in great detail the level of my dislike, but apparently, these are well moderated forums, if youre a newcomer your thoughts wont stay, but you seem to be on the inside. so congratulations for that. getting away with saying such things as "half-baked" "i pity you" and accusing me of "doing ... propoganda" as well as "you guys are wasting your time and just full of air" and "you are nothing... get it." classy.
"Live with the TRUTH.. do not build FALSE WALLS.. and assume that is TRUTH.. because thats what sets WRONG and RIGHT apart.. a THEIF.. sitting in the CELL .. does not admit he did it.. he thinks. he has the right.. or that whats the harm.. Only a person who can see the WRONG. can tell him. what is RIGHT and what is WRONG..." - most of this is baloney. youre trying to give me advice as if im asking for any.
and the further nonsense, "I pity your knowledge... egoism... mundane effort... immature and half baked approach..." - apparently this is all great example for the kids who read these forums. insulting posters outright. clearly this doesn't deserve moderation. does it?
I basically read your entire post as one long personal attack. But the moderators don't seem to mind. Perhaps this post will get deleted too.
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"Sandeep.. if you were a Hindu or a Christian" - how does this have anything to do with what we're discussing?.
"I have no issues.. because they are not debating what you are debating.. When we did not give this right to them" - the right to discuss sikhism?
"since 400 years. why do you deserve.. on the other hand. you should NOT even try to debate this point..... this is utter HYPOCRICY..." - hypocrisy that i decide to discuss sikhism?
"You wrote "you do not see the unshorn kesh and pagh as a ritual. i do. "
Wow.. are you the new GURU" - sounds like an insult.
".. see tell me frankly if you believe in his words or not.." - why does it matter what i believe? i can discuss things regardless of belief.
"Tell me 3 things frankly.. no IFS or BUTS" - no thanks.
"- do you Agree and Believe with Gurujis words or not?" - assuming alot to think im going to bother answering.
"- do you believe in the GRANTH SAHIB from A-Z or not?" - you dont have to believe in something to discuss something.
"- Do you believe the HISTORY or not?" - are you suggesting that some of it was invented?
"if you say YES TO ALL" - bit silly hah.
". without any Reasoning then. lets talk." - in other words, youve got a list of things i need to go out and achieve for you... who made you the boss?
"else.. I think you guys are waisting TIME and just full of AIR..." - lovely, another insult.
"I am not here to change you.." - really? sure sounds like it.
"but I STOP you from doing your OWN propaganda.." - im laughing reading that. what propoganda? youre just inventing problems and whining about them.
"GURUJI's word is the FINAL.. YOURS is NOT" - actually they're dead, i'm not.
"It DOES Not matter what you think.." - lovely.
"because you are NOTHING.." - i bet you have lots of friends
"get it.. NOTHING compared to the GURUJIs..." - this is almost like deification of the guru's which is kinda defeating the purpose.
"Live with the TRUTH.." - this sounds like propoganda
"do not build FALSE WALLS.." - this doesnt even make sense
"and assume that is TRUTH.." - you sound like a televangelist.
"because thats what sets WRONG and RIGHT apart.." - you must think im really gullible.
"a THEIF.. sitting in the CELL .. does not admit he did it.." - strange analogy hah.
"he thinks. he has the right.. or that whats the harm.." - so youre comparing discussing a religion with a crime. lovely.
"Only a person who can see the WRONG. can tell him." - youre making a stretch here. its almost like you could have this scenario where people see wrong in practically anything, and essentially we're kept from doing whatever it is we want to do as the dude deems things "wrong." i'd rather live by my own views. than some strangers.
"what is RIGHT and what is WRONG..." - you act like i have no clue about morality. lovely.
"Even after reading all the words.. of GURU. you are still ADAMANT..,.. I pity you.." - lovely.
"I pity your knowledge.." - thats alot of pity.
"your EGOism.." - are you kidding me? your ego seems way bigger than mine. you after all are the one trying to passing judgement. and failing.
"your Mundae EFFORT to change DEFINITIONS..." - where exactly am i trying to do this? heh.
"your Immature and HALF BAKED approach" - lovely.
"to CUSTOMIZING religion..." - that doesnt even make good sense in english. how exactly does one "customize" a religion. it just sounds like a silly saying.
"and feel sad for you" - hah, doesn't sound that way.
"to DEFY the LAST word of GURU;s.." - you sound like living a free life is a life of defiance. thats weird.
"Read whatever you want to in between lines.." - thanks for the permission, but i do what i what regardless of what you write.
"but then thats what you will do your ENTIRE LIFE...." - are you a fortune teller now?
"and you will keep DOING IT.." - lovely.
"because.. in the future. someone is going to DEFY your though process as well...." - so how much for the palm reading? if you seriously think anyone is going to take that straight faced, youre living in fantasy.
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Friday, October 23, 2009
talking to a madman
jess, youre a fool. why the hell are you writing with capitals. and why are you even fucking talking to me? i wasnt even talking to you. i actually was done with this thread until you came along and started writing your nonsense. i full right to write whatever i please. i dont give a shit about your views. the difference is i dont read yours and feel the need to blast yours. why do you read my views and feel the need to write an essay.
i keep deleting what i write, and im not sure why. maybe its just kindof to save this thread frmo your idiocy. maybe its just to try and do something better. but it seems every day you post something terrible. your views dont represent all sikhs believe me. and why are you bothering to preach the guru granth to me? do you think im not capable of reading it myself? do you feel like you're important enough to preach shit to me? what exactly makes you feel like you have the write to tell random people what to do?
the thing is you're an idiot. and i can't believe that you can call yourself a Sikh. you can quote shit all day, but you don't respect people. you don't seem to have any acceptance of people. so you are a hypocrite. you say that you're a "true sikh". i see more evidence of you being a true jerk. i can't believe that people like you exist. in our community no less. people should be able to speak freely whenever they like. and guru's werent gods. you takl about hinduism... you treat sikhism more like that religion than what it really is. these discussions are getting me to read more about the sikh faith. and regardless of what i read you are still a fool.
i dont understand how you cant afford respect to a girl half your age. im assuming youre in your 20s. if thats the case why waste your time with this chick. why bother trying to preach to her that she's an idiot. does that make you pleased? are you happy to kindof insult people? you hide behind the guru granth sahib and insult people. you think that you're smart but you're really just a fool. for all your work to try and understand the religion, you really haven't gotten your mind around some of the basic shit. you try to tell people what they're trying to say. and then you argue against your own fantasy. its kinda pitiful. youre creating enemies and then fighting with them. only your enemies only exist in your head.
you kindof mystify me. how can someone spend lots of time around the guru granth, and become as twisted as you are. if anything youre a warning to anyone who wonders what it'd be like to be a so called sikh nerd. and thats basically what you are. you relish the granth. perhaps like a LOTR nerd would do so guerillermo del toro. wake up man. noone gives a shit about what you think. we live as we want. you think youre trying to repremand me? what gives you the right to even try to judge me? you are a foul bastard. you put yourself on a pedestal. your heads in the clouds. and you probably dont have any room for the guru's in yoru life.
i saw your friends list. every single person on there's indian. are you isolating yourself from indians? your facebook says medical imager. you seem to identify with your job. maybe you think youre not allowed to do anything but look down. but dont go so far as to think thats the way everyone should go about shit. its absolutely rediculous how youre acting. people werente ven talking to you. and you decided to introduce yourself, not with a name, not a background, but instead like a rabid preacher on the street. you make me want to distance myself from the religion. religion is a personal thing. people like you are blights upon sikhism.
and this whole insulting girls thing. i dont know about you, but ive got better things to do than to get on facebook daily and bother 16 year olds. apparently you dont. maybe your job as a medical imager doesnt keep you busy. but let me guess. born in india. came over here. working now, and surrounded by indians. why? because apparently youre not allowed to talk to other people. you memorized the guru granth. its a book written by people who died a long time ago. youre a fucking fool if you believe that shit. theyre just men, just like you. to memorize their views as some sort of noble pursuit is fucking silly. you can learn from it, but why pretend its anything but fantasy.
you need to wake yourself up. and check yourself. youre bullying people on sikh forums. making people feel less welcome to talk. kindof acting sour. quoting the granth like its a machine gun. people are free to do whatever the hell they want. and they can call themselves whatever the fuck they want. you seem to think youre the crown prince. that anyone who wants to call themself a sikh has to meet your expectations. thats absolutely rediculous. if you have that much of an ego, you can't possibly be sikh. youre just a fool. a fucking religious wingnut. youre a fundamentalist, bigoted, and sick. and you need to learn that.
the guru's would never have encouraged people to act the way you do. you wakl around trying to bring people down. and basically just for your own pleasure. posting derogatory remarks on a website isnt going to change a damn thing, except that you look like a fool. youre practically like a suicide bomber. taking these life guidelines, turning them into a weapon, and trying to hurt people with them. youre whats wrong with religion. its not meant to be something people have to copy. its not meant to be something you have to sit there and memorize. that sa fucking set of facts. thats fucking grade school. thats busy work. that doesnt fucking change your fucking convictions.
good and bad are in a head, those are there from the knowledge of a man from what he's grown amongst. apparently you feel violence, is justified. you feel like your religion is being insulted. and then you feel its justified to then attack back and say that no, my religion isnt bad, its you, the accuser, thats bad. and you turn yourself into an inflictor of pain. thats no way to be. but apparently, thats exactly how you choose to be. you think its better to pull someone aside, tell them they suck, and tell them to convert, or perhaps they need to force themselves through some brainwashing sessions, until they agree with you more, and then maybe theyll be ok.
what a fucking lame ass way to deal with someone who has questions, or someone who has different points of view. youre telling people to agree with you? thats probably alot like how you handle making friends. you expect them to be indian. at least brown skinned. if they can't do that you wont accept them. you know? because youre racist. and in a larger sense, youre closed minded. you buy into these fantasies. communication can be good, if you know how to do it. but instead youre building a fantasy, and then getting upset with it. youre fighting against invisible enemies. and it makes you look clinically insane.
im guesing thats whats wrong. and the shame of it is how youre influencing these kids. youremaking them feel like youre a good example. you know why? because the rest of the community is silent. i wonder why thats the case. anyone who gets to these threads gets your nonsense thrown in their face. people should be able to just write what they want. you just write constant nonsense. it just pisses me off. but because i dont want to be a bad influence, i sanction myself. you dont seem to hold yourself back. and youre being a terrible influence. if you want to educate people, do it in a way thats kind. otherwise... just fucking stop.
now i dont know why you feel like its your job to remind people how stupid they are. and to do it over the subject of sikhism too... now there's alot of internet nerds out there. maybe i should just delete all this and type one word. troll. youre just nothing but a troll. and i guess, dont feed the troll, eh? youre full of shit. you spend more time bitching on the net than you do making white friends. or black friends. or asian friends. or hispanic friends... indian only right? i forgot how stupid you were. how afraid you were of different races. youre just full of shit. and nobody should ever listen to you.
i cant believe that you even bother wearing a turban. all that venom you spit out your mouth shows how little of a sikh you really are. trying to shout down discussion. trying to put your rules on the words spoken. youre a fool. and youre also no good. you need to either enlighten yourself, or go away. because in your current state, youre no good. youve got problems, and apparently you just can't see it. that's the problem though isn't it. you're just a fucking fool. sikhs should always be free to write what they feel is on their mind. you don't seem to thnk so. i do. and you think censorship is good. as well as feeling like the guru's are near gods. which is absolute heresy and rediculous to boot.
i even feel like you feel like you and your words deserve attention. and unfortunately, ive given you that. but the truth is, youre just a fool. there's nothing youre saying that has any value. your words are insincere, and really shouted out in anger. there's not a bit of sincerity or kindness in any o fit. and that belies the true nature of yoru words, and your work. youre out there to do as much damage as you can. and thats absolutely stupid. honestly i can't believe you feel welcome to post on these boards. you come here, in front of the sangat, and you feel perfectly fine to yell at those who don't agree with you. to me that's rediculous
remember, there's children out there that can read these. and they're reading your words, about how you're just doing us all a favor by enlightening those fools who are stupid enough to think that cutting your hair is good. is it really that simple though? only a fool would do something blindly without questioning it. do you think hippys were stupid? what about einstein? how about philosophy in general? free thinking is a skill yes, perhaps one you are terrible at, but why do you feel like free thinking within the bounds of sikh philosophy is banned? who banned it? and why did they ban it? what exactly is banned in the first place? and why the fuck should we give a shit?
you perhaps underestimate who you speak to. ive had folks die. ive had religion thrown in my face. ive been thrown all over the world. ive been treated like shit. ive been treated like a god. ive been poor. ive been rich. ive seen a shitload, and ive got a different POV than you. i was smart enough to stay away from medicine which is essentially the auto-mechanic of the body. what a fucking brilliant job you picked eh? i mean really... it's just pitiful how you can sit there and try to teach everyone about how you're the best at this sikh thing, that we should copy you. you seem to just want attention, like, "hey! look at me! im a good sikh!"
what bullshit. you're just an attention whore, and unfortunately like i said, i gave it to you. there's more important things in this life to fuck with than you. Wars are currently being fought, people are dying as we speak, and I'm sitting here wasting my time with one fucking fool whose too afraid to make friends outside his own race, too afraid to work in a profession outside of the stereotypical one, and too afraid to question a damn thing about a religion that honestly was written by people youve never fucking met. all you know about thesep eople could be blatant lies. you think youre so smart, but have you even factored that shit into it?
your whole religion is a huge fucking leap of faith. they could all have justbeen fucking invented sons of bitches. or even if the dude was around, maybe his fucking views werent quite like that. there were 10 gurus after all, and they all did different shit. like a line of kings. by the way, you realize that they kept this shit in the fucking family right? like a fucking dynasty. what the fuck does that have to do with being fucking smart about shit? its not necessarily inherited. look at you, im sure your parents must have had some intelligence about them to give you the oppertunity to be bitching on a pc over the net eh?
so the point is this. why do you fucking bother. what drives you? what makes you get up in the morning walk over to your PC and write this crap? i mean seriously. you are taking something that is TOO GOOD for you to fuck with? i mean why do you think its your job to go forth in the name of sikhism and ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE? this isnt a fucking crusade buddy. its the 21st century. we all know better. and the whole fucking sticking to people hwo look like you thing. why dont you mingle with others? whats so scarey about those evil white people? i maen are you foolish enough to think skin actually matters? dude, pigments pointless, GREY matters. if you cant fucking figure that shit out, youre fucking hopeless.
and like i said, the guru's would shake their heads and this idiocy that seems to come from yoru PC. youw rite such hateful words directed at Sikh youth, as if you don't give a shite what happens to them. All you're concerned with is your own position in the community, you have to make a show of slapping people around a bit so that people know that you're going to regulate. Or perhapsyou do it for the sheer joy of other people's suffering? No better than the Mughal rulers who fucked with the Sikhs so long ago. Sawing people in half? in the digital age, we aren't so powerful as to have weapons ready and people in sights, instead it becomes a matter of a war of words. but to think that you ever have the right to dig someones faceinto the dirt... is fucking wrong
all i can say is im sure you were bullied alot growing up. there's no other explanation for your knowledge of causing harm amongst people. youve gotten this whole religionthing down well, at least in the sense that you might be trying to exercise its potential for control. i just dont understand why you didnt pick islam instead. then you'd be able to go out and do shit like beat your wife and more or less kill people who opposed your religion and youd be praised by your peers. such seems to be your vendetta and indication of your path currently. have you no idea abou tthe sikh deal. i think youre a fool, because you profoundly misunderstand and misrepresent my faith. and that makesme angry. because i love this religion.
nanak was a fucking badass. but to think that that makes him beyond reproach is fucking stupid. its up to each and every individual to ask themselves if what this guy says matters a fuck. if not, then fuck it. why waste your life doing somethingyou dont give a shit about. but apparently this is something you give a shit about. people talking about sikhism on the internet. youre a fucking fool, and here's why: you try and control people. you try and persuade them NOT to think about Sikhism. You try and turn people away from the faith, directing them to other religions that perhaps they may better like. You are the one reducing Sikhism to a handbasket in a store window. We do not share your Point of View.
You insult us. assuming we know nothing about the religion and would jump at the chance to get out of it and join up with another one. You insult the religion, to treat it so lightly as to suggest such things, and to misrepresent its benevolent virtues so comprehensively. Youre a disgrace, to your family, and to your religion. The founders of this religion would turn in their grave, had they been buried in such a style, none the less the saying still holds true. its a disgraceful way to be, to constantly goad the youth of our time for their views.
You need to updateyour own views if you think all that differ with you deserve to be avoided, shunned, silenced and insulted, You're a fool and a bully, youre sole joy seems to be found in the insulting of others. You prize your own views, and feel others views are rediculous, this is a textbook definition of a ... bigot. and you also seem a cheovinist. why the hell wuold you suggest harlene be a social worker? thats rediculous and limiting. she can be whatever the fuck she wants. youre absolutely fucking full of yourself. you expect people to respect you and you need to fucking be surprised. youre a fucking fool and dont deserve a damn.
so just fucking buzz off. go to another place. dont bother us. we discuss because we want to. you silence because you want to fucking get a rise out of it, because you get some plaesure smashing heads in, and you fucking feel like a big man when youve got the spotlight on. but you know what? some shit is fucking sacred. and if you violate those spaces, you will fucking recieve retalliation. you cant denegrate the views of the masses just for your own pelasure. and people will change, whether you try your frantic jumping up and down or not. youve held my attention this long, but no longer. youre a waste of a minute.
i keep deleting what i write, and im not sure why. maybe its just kindof to save this thread frmo your idiocy. maybe its just to try and do something better. but it seems every day you post something terrible. your views dont represent all sikhs believe me. and why are you bothering to preach the guru granth to me? do you think im not capable of reading it myself? do you feel like you're important enough to preach shit to me? what exactly makes you feel like you have the write to tell random people what to do?
the thing is you're an idiot. and i can't believe that you can call yourself a Sikh. you can quote shit all day, but you don't respect people. you don't seem to have any acceptance of people. so you are a hypocrite. you say that you're a "true sikh". i see more evidence of you being a true jerk. i can't believe that people like you exist. in our community no less. people should be able to speak freely whenever they like. and guru's werent gods. you takl about hinduism... you treat sikhism more like that religion than what it really is. these discussions are getting me to read more about the sikh faith. and regardless of what i read you are still a fool.
i dont understand how you cant afford respect to a girl half your age. im assuming youre in your 20s. if thats the case why waste your time with this chick. why bother trying to preach to her that she's an idiot. does that make you pleased? are you happy to kindof insult people? you hide behind the guru granth sahib and insult people. you think that you're smart but you're really just a fool. for all your work to try and understand the religion, you really haven't gotten your mind around some of the basic shit. you try to tell people what they're trying to say. and then you argue against your own fantasy. its kinda pitiful. youre creating enemies and then fighting with them. only your enemies only exist in your head.
you kindof mystify me. how can someone spend lots of time around the guru granth, and become as twisted as you are. if anything youre a warning to anyone who wonders what it'd be like to be a so called sikh nerd. and thats basically what you are. you relish the granth. perhaps like a LOTR nerd would do so guerillermo del toro. wake up man. noone gives a shit about what you think. we live as we want. you think youre trying to repremand me? what gives you the right to even try to judge me? you are a foul bastard. you put yourself on a pedestal. your heads in the clouds. and you probably dont have any room for the guru's in yoru life.
i saw your friends list. every single person on there's indian. are you isolating yourself from indians? your facebook says medical imager. you seem to identify with your job. maybe you think youre not allowed to do anything but look down. but dont go so far as to think thats the way everyone should go about shit. its absolutely rediculous how youre acting. people werente ven talking to you. and you decided to introduce yourself, not with a name, not a background, but instead like a rabid preacher on the street. you make me want to distance myself from the religion. religion is a personal thing. people like you are blights upon sikhism.
and this whole insulting girls thing. i dont know about you, but ive got better things to do than to get on facebook daily and bother 16 year olds. apparently you dont. maybe your job as a medical imager doesnt keep you busy. but let me guess. born in india. came over here. working now, and surrounded by indians. why? because apparently youre not allowed to talk to other people. you memorized the guru granth. its a book written by people who died a long time ago. youre a fucking fool if you believe that shit. theyre just men, just like you. to memorize their views as some sort of noble pursuit is fucking silly. you can learn from it, but why pretend its anything but fantasy.
you need to wake yourself up. and check yourself. youre bullying people on sikh forums. making people feel less welcome to talk. kindof acting sour. quoting the granth like its a machine gun. people are free to do whatever the hell they want. and they can call themselves whatever the fuck they want. you seem to think youre the crown prince. that anyone who wants to call themself a sikh has to meet your expectations. thats absolutely rediculous. if you have that much of an ego, you can't possibly be sikh. youre just a fool. a fucking religious wingnut. youre a fundamentalist, bigoted, and sick. and you need to learn that.
the guru's would never have encouraged people to act the way you do. you wakl around trying to bring people down. and basically just for your own pleasure. posting derogatory remarks on a website isnt going to change a damn thing, except that you look like a fool. youre practically like a suicide bomber. taking these life guidelines, turning them into a weapon, and trying to hurt people with them. youre whats wrong with religion. its not meant to be something people have to copy. its not meant to be something you have to sit there and memorize. that sa fucking set of facts. thats fucking grade school. thats busy work. that doesnt fucking change your fucking convictions.
good and bad are in a head, those are there from the knowledge of a man from what he's grown amongst. apparently you feel violence, is justified. you feel like your religion is being insulted. and then you feel its justified to then attack back and say that no, my religion isnt bad, its you, the accuser, thats bad. and you turn yourself into an inflictor of pain. thats no way to be. but apparently, thats exactly how you choose to be. you think its better to pull someone aside, tell them they suck, and tell them to convert, or perhaps they need to force themselves through some brainwashing sessions, until they agree with you more, and then maybe theyll be ok.
what a fucking lame ass way to deal with someone who has questions, or someone who has different points of view. youre telling people to agree with you? thats probably alot like how you handle making friends. you expect them to be indian. at least brown skinned. if they can't do that you wont accept them. you know? because youre racist. and in a larger sense, youre closed minded. you buy into these fantasies. communication can be good, if you know how to do it. but instead youre building a fantasy, and then getting upset with it. youre fighting against invisible enemies. and it makes you look clinically insane.
im guesing thats whats wrong. and the shame of it is how youre influencing these kids. youremaking them feel like youre a good example. you know why? because the rest of the community is silent. i wonder why thats the case. anyone who gets to these threads gets your nonsense thrown in their face. people should be able to just write what they want. you just write constant nonsense. it just pisses me off. but because i dont want to be a bad influence, i sanction myself. you dont seem to hold yourself back. and youre being a terrible influence. if you want to educate people, do it in a way thats kind. otherwise... just fucking stop.
now i dont know why you feel like its your job to remind people how stupid they are. and to do it over the subject of sikhism too... now there's alot of internet nerds out there. maybe i should just delete all this and type one word. troll. youre just nothing but a troll. and i guess, dont feed the troll, eh? youre full of shit. you spend more time bitching on the net than you do making white friends. or black friends. or asian friends. or hispanic friends... indian only right? i forgot how stupid you were. how afraid you were of different races. youre just full of shit. and nobody should ever listen to you.
i cant believe that you even bother wearing a turban. all that venom you spit out your mouth shows how little of a sikh you really are. trying to shout down discussion. trying to put your rules on the words spoken. youre a fool. and youre also no good. you need to either enlighten yourself, or go away. because in your current state, youre no good. youve got problems, and apparently you just can't see it. that's the problem though isn't it. you're just a fucking fool. sikhs should always be free to write what they feel is on their mind. you don't seem to thnk so. i do. and you think censorship is good. as well as feeling like the guru's are near gods. which is absolute heresy and rediculous to boot.
i even feel like you feel like you and your words deserve attention. and unfortunately, ive given you that. but the truth is, youre just a fool. there's nothing youre saying that has any value. your words are insincere, and really shouted out in anger. there's not a bit of sincerity or kindness in any o fit. and that belies the true nature of yoru words, and your work. youre out there to do as much damage as you can. and thats absolutely stupid. honestly i can't believe you feel welcome to post on these boards. you come here, in front of the sangat, and you feel perfectly fine to yell at those who don't agree with you. to me that's rediculous
remember, there's children out there that can read these. and they're reading your words, about how you're just doing us all a favor by enlightening those fools who are stupid enough to think that cutting your hair is good. is it really that simple though? only a fool would do something blindly without questioning it. do you think hippys were stupid? what about einstein? how about philosophy in general? free thinking is a skill yes, perhaps one you are terrible at, but why do you feel like free thinking within the bounds of sikh philosophy is banned? who banned it? and why did they ban it? what exactly is banned in the first place? and why the fuck should we give a shit?
you perhaps underestimate who you speak to. ive had folks die. ive had religion thrown in my face. ive been thrown all over the world. ive been treated like shit. ive been treated like a god. ive been poor. ive been rich. ive seen a shitload, and ive got a different POV than you. i was smart enough to stay away from medicine which is essentially the auto-mechanic of the body. what a fucking brilliant job you picked eh? i mean really... it's just pitiful how you can sit there and try to teach everyone about how you're the best at this sikh thing, that we should copy you. you seem to just want attention, like, "hey! look at me! im a good sikh!"
what bullshit. you're just an attention whore, and unfortunately like i said, i gave it to you. there's more important things in this life to fuck with than you. Wars are currently being fought, people are dying as we speak, and I'm sitting here wasting my time with one fucking fool whose too afraid to make friends outside his own race, too afraid to work in a profession outside of the stereotypical one, and too afraid to question a damn thing about a religion that honestly was written by people youve never fucking met. all you know about thesep eople could be blatant lies. you think youre so smart, but have you even factored that shit into it?
your whole religion is a huge fucking leap of faith. they could all have justbeen fucking invented sons of bitches. or even if the dude was around, maybe his fucking views werent quite like that. there were 10 gurus after all, and they all did different shit. like a line of kings. by the way, you realize that they kept this shit in the fucking family right? like a fucking dynasty. what the fuck does that have to do with being fucking smart about shit? its not necessarily inherited. look at you, im sure your parents must have had some intelligence about them to give you the oppertunity to be bitching on a pc over the net eh?
so the point is this. why do you fucking bother. what drives you? what makes you get up in the morning walk over to your PC and write this crap? i mean seriously. you are taking something that is TOO GOOD for you to fuck with? i mean why do you think its your job to go forth in the name of sikhism and ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE? this isnt a fucking crusade buddy. its the 21st century. we all know better. and the whole fucking sticking to people hwo look like you thing. why dont you mingle with others? whats so scarey about those evil white people? i maen are you foolish enough to think skin actually matters? dude, pigments pointless, GREY matters. if you cant fucking figure that shit out, youre fucking hopeless.
and like i said, the guru's would shake their heads and this idiocy that seems to come from yoru PC. youw rite such hateful words directed at Sikh youth, as if you don't give a shite what happens to them. All you're concerned with is your own position in the community, you have to make a show of slapping people around a bit so that people know that you're going to regulate. Or perhapsyou do it for the sheer joy of other people's suffering? No better than the Mughal rulers who fucked with the Sikhs so long ago. Sawing people in half? in the digital age, we aren't so powerful as to have weapons ready and people in sights, instead it becomes a matter of a war of words. but to think that you ever have the right to dig someones faceinto the dirt... is fucking wrong
all i can say is im sure you were bullied alot growing up. there's no other explanation for your knowledge of causing harm amongst people. youve gotten this whole religionthing down well, at least in the sense that you might be trying to exercise its potential for control. i just dont understand why you didnt pick islam instead. then you'd be able to go out and do shit like beat your wife and more or less kill people who opposed your religion and youd be praised by your peers. such seems to be your vendetta and indication of your path currently. have you no idea abou tthe sikh deal. i think youre a fool, because you profoundly misunderstand and misrepresent my faith. and that makesme angry. because i love this religion.
nanak was a fucking badass. but to think that that makes him beyond reproach is fucking stupid. its up to each and every individual to ask themselves if what this guy says matters a fuck. if not, then fuck it. why waste your life doing somethingyou dont give a shit about. but apparently this is something you give a shit about. people talking about sikhism on the internet. youre a fucking fool, and here's why: you try and control people. you try and persuade them NOT to think about Sikhism. You try and turn people away from the faith, directing them to other religions that perhaps they may better like. You are the one reducing Sikhism to a handbasket in a store window. We do not share your Point of View.
You insult us. assuming we know nothing about the religion and would jump at the chance to get out of it and join up with another one. You insult the religion, to treat it so lightly as to suggest such things, and to misrepresent its benevolent virtues so comprehensively. Youre a disgrace, to your family, and to your religion. The founders of this religion would turn in their grave, had they been buried in such a style, none the less the saying still holds true. its a disgraceful way to be, to constantly goad the youth of our time for their views.
You need to updateyour own views if you think all that differ with you deserve to be avoided, shunned, silenced and insulted, You're a fool and a bully, youre sole joy seems to be found in the insulting of others. You prize your own views, and feel others views are rediculous, this is a textbook definition of a ... bigot. and you also seem a cheovinist. why the hell wuold you suggest harlene be a social worker? thats rediculous and limiting. she can be whatever the fuck she wants. youre absolutely fucking full of yourself. you expect people to respect you and you need to fucking be surprised. youre a fucking fool and dont deserve a damn.
so just fucking buzz off. go to another place. dont bother us. we discuss because we want to. you silence because you want to fucking get a rise out of it, because you get some plaesure smashing heads in, and you fucking feel like a big man when youve got the spotlight on. but you know what? some shit is fucking sacred. and if you violate those spaces, you will fucking recieve retalliation. you cant denegrate the views of the masses just for your own pelasure. and people will change, whether you try your frantic jumping up and down or not. youve held my attention this long, but no longer. youre a waste of a minute.
Thursday, October 22, 2009
the people i knew in ohio state were such idiots. they just kindof did stupid shit. for years. and i dont think they ever stopped. everybody in ohio is an asshole to each other.
Y chromosome effective for tracing populations.
original ornkey / shetland picts possibly eliminated
similar to tasmania where original inhabitants killed off by british
our ancestors have surivived this desolation for the last 25,000 years. nomads emerging from the last ice age. the stone age.
about 15,000 years ago teh climate began to change.
humans discover the grasses, a huge supply of grain. first step forward.
barley and wheat began to be selected, the edible grasses. they were hunter gatherer's but the grasses forced a change of lifestyle.
over half the world is fed on grain today
grain if left dry can last for decades
a person can harvest for three weeks to get enough to last a family for a year
shorter ice age followed, vast drought in middle east, and famine. the natufi were the people of the area. drought lasted over 1,000 years. but then ice age ended and world became wetter and warmer.
farming allowed for more children via increased yield of food. - given larger populations, leaders were required.
"it took a crisis to push them forward" - perhaps human instinct?
herders begin - goats, (dogs already hunted w/ hunter-gather) pigs, cows, sheep etc. people still herd goats today.
the herders and the cereal growers came together - herding + cultivating to bring about ready supply of meat + cereals.
people and animals living together created new diseases.
corporations might possibly be evil - eliminating the chance for people to be able to do what they'd like
the farmers move out and colonize europe, exchanging animals and seeds for local commodities from those groups and communities that already inhabited the area. this spread the farming to new areas, and these new settlers would clear cut forests to allow sunlight to come in.
in the middle east the way of life was in crisis. after thousands ofyears of ivllage life, available fuel diminished. goat herding & grazing caused trees to no longer grow.
european climate proved a challenge. after 1,000 years, the plow arrives, crop timing arrives. as well as getting used to building with pure timber rather than mud. they were called teh longhouse peope. also perfected dairy cow.
many of the original northern hunter-gatherer's remained with their own ways untainted and bothered by the middle east influence. hunter-gatherer's eventually abandon their own ways for the security of farming. this is the time of the standing stones.
4,000 years ago the last hunter gatherer's roamed europe. they disappear. warriors are taking over the lands.
roussoulian culture in between the sumerians and egyptians, became first tree cultivators, and also mass produced pottery, plus importance of converting raw materials into high value products. like milk into butter. trade was at the center of this whole way of life.
roussoul was nearby teh dead sea, and salt made possible preservation of such things as olives and fish.
religion emerges as a method of control and leadership. birth death and the changing seasons amaze, the priests dictated the gods will. standing stones erected during this time.
copper begins to be mined, smelted, the first smelted metal, and traded.
the egyptians and sumerians begin to irrigate their own lands, mine their own salt. rossoul disappears within 100 years. living by trade begins to spread throughout the middle east and into europe.
what if the communal lifestyle of the stone-age europeans was left untouched today. no sense of personal ownership etc.
being a stone-age trader might've been kinda cool.
trader's believed more in value of individual. came as traders, stayed to farm. brought the art of smelting to the north. the "beaker" people. mix some tin to copper and you get bronze.
daggers, spearheads, swords, the whole nature of armaments was changed by effective working bronze. military elite emerges. bronze, fermented drinks, and mounted horse signs of power status. leaders on top, farmers on the bottom. the wheel spreads about 5,500 years ago. it comes from the middle east as well.
amber found amongst seaweed, traded.
3000 years ago iron discovered, and warfare follows.
there are over 9,000 species of birds today.
Y chromosome effective for tracing populations.
original ornkey / shetland picts possibly eliminated
similar to tasmania where original inhabitants killed off by british
our ancestors have surivived this desolation for the last 25,000 years. nomads emerging from the last ice age. the stone age.
about 15,000 years ago teh climate began to change.
humans discover the grasses, a huge supply of grain. first step forward.
barley and wheat began to be selected, the edible grasses. they were hunter gatherer's but the grasses forced a change of lifestyle.
over half the world is fed on grain today
grain if left dry can last for decades
a person can harvest for three weeks to get enough to last a family for a year
shorter ice age followed, vast drought in middle east, and famine. the natufi were the people of the area. drought lasted over 1,000 years. but then ice age ended and world became wetter and warmer.
farming allowed for more children via increased yield of food. - given larger populations, leaders were required.
"it took a crisis to push them forward" - perhaps human instinct?
herders begin - goats, (dogs already hunted w/ hunter-gather) pigs, cows, sheep etc. people still herd goats today.
the herders and the cereal growers came together - herding + cultivating to bring about ready supply of meat + cereals.
people and animals living together created new diseases.
corporations might possibly be evil - eliminating the chance for people to be able to do what they'd like
the farmers move out and colonize europe, exchanging animals and seeds for local commodities from those groups and communities that already inhabited the area. this spread the farming to new areas, and these new settlers would clear cut forests to allow sunlight to come in.
in the middle east the way of life was in crisis. after thousands ofyears of ivllage life, available fuel diminished. goat herding & grazing caused trees to no longer grow.
european climate proved a challenge. after 1,000 years, the plow arrives, crop timing arrives. as well as getting used to building with pure timber rather than mud. they were called teh longhouse peope. also perfected dairy cow.
many of the original northern hunter-gatherer's remained with their own ways untainted and bothered by the middle east influence. hunter-gatherer's eventually abandon their own ways for the security of farming. this is the time of the standing stones.
4,000 years ago the last hunter gatherer's roamed europe. they disappear. warriors are taking over the lands.
roussoulian culture in between the sumerians and egyptians, became first tree cultivators, and also mass produced pottery, plus importance of converting raw materials into high value products. like milk into butter. trade was at the center of this whole way of life.
roussoul was nearby teh dead sea, and salt made possible preservation of such things as olives and fish.
religion emerges as a method of control and leadership. birth death and the changing seasons amaze, the priests dictated the gods will. standing stones erected during this time.
copper begins to be mined, smelted, the first smelted metal, and traded.
the egyptians and sumerians begin to irrigate their own lands, mine their own salt. rossoul disappears within 100 years. living by trade begins to spread throughout the middle east and into europe.
what if the communal lifestyle of the stone-age europeans was left untouched today. no sense of personal ownership etc.
being a stone-age trader might've been kinda cool.
trader's believed more in value of individual. came as traders, stayed to farm. brought the art of smelting to the north. the "beaker" people. mix some tin to copper and you get bronze.
daggers, spearheads, swords, the whole nature of armaments was changed by effective working bronze. military elite emerges. bronze, fermented drinks, and mounted horse signs of power status. leaders on top, farmers on the bottom. the wheel spreads about 5,500 years ago. it comes from the middle east as well.
amber found amongst seaweed, traded.
3000 years ago iron discovered, and warfare follows.
there are over 9,000 species of birds today.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
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"questioning means you are questioning the guru and his words" - i don't see anything wrong with questioning the Guru himself. He was a man after all, and it's his theories (their theories, you write guru but after all we know there are ten) that we are memorizing and then thereby deciding to emulate. For something that is essentially going to shape the rest of your life, I see no problem with seeking greater understanding, knowing the "why" behind certain things, and challenging those why's with anything that comes to mind. for any truely great belief-set, every why is answerable with a bit of wisdom of equal power.
"you or no one... has even a... right... to question the guru" - what a silly belief you have. we all have whatever rights we afford ourselves. there is no physical barrier stopping us from thought. and therefore, being that this is entirely a game of abstract thought, whatever is possible in the mind is fair game, as it was abstract thought that came up with such things. your whole view is paramount to that of the experts of yesteryear that were against the notion the earth was round. Explorers proved those notions were wrong. Religion is science of the mind. To take one expert opinion as the unquestionable truth is to completely misunderstand the origin of the beliefs of Sikhism entirely. They arose from questioning, they too are bound to face the same questions, and that's how the Guru's would have wanted it. They never would have wanted a Khasla of sheep, but true believers. Belief comes in many ways, and for the sharp of mind, it can come from discussion.
"the world will try to change you" - you make the world sound insideous. lets talk practical. We're talking proselytizers. Anyone with their wits about them can spot a Jehovahs witness a mile away. It's only the desperate or those who have no original conviction that fall prey to these vultures. and They aren't doing it for their own religion, but just for some bit of satisfaction that has nothing to do with their own religion's definition of salvation. An equally true statement may be, "You as well may try to change the world."
"and then you become a slave to their thinking." - again a bit misguided there. Are we really ever slaves to thinking? Not if we're willing to question.
"or you stand firm and let them change." - you seem to think someone is going to change, and if not you, then them. that's a bit weird. a third alternative could be that neither could change, or a fourth, and the one i believe in, is that Everything and Everyone will change, given time enough.
"guruji's stood firm" - hardly at all. nanak was a hindu? and challenged both his religion of birth as well as the other dominant one of the time, islam. Found they both sucked. and Put together what he felt he gave a shat about in one collection of beliefs. He didn't stand firm at all, but instead found the ground he entered upon from birth was unsteady, and instead decided to forge his own path in life.
"if he would have listened then i believe we would not have been sikhs" - again a bit silly. are you suggesting that we as sikhs should look to the guru's as an example of the benefits of being closed minded? Nah, the guru's were some of the most advanced thinkers of their time. This religion was the result of their intelligence. If you read the granth, there are poems from people of all backgrounds, even those that conflict with sikhism, as our message was a universal one. it cut to the core and heart of many of the worlds religions. remember, religion is the science of the mind, and the unseen.
"why not question your own thoughts" - if we do so, are we not then not following the guru's example? of leading by example, not questioning our own thoughts, and instead going forth with what we know already is true in our hearts, and stepping forth with pride and strength? sikh virtues.
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"it does not matter what you think because you are nothing compared to the guru's" - they were people, ordinary flesh and blood, like we are.
"are you the new guru?" - why bother asking?
"but i stop you from doing your own propoganda" - what propoganda?
"you are nothing... compared to the gurujis" - any human being is equally capable of abstract thought.
"i pity you" - for what reason?
"you or no one... has even a... right... to question the guru" - what a silly belief you have. we all have whatever rights we afford ourselves. there is no physical barrier stopping us from thought. and therefore, being that this is entirely a game of abstract thought, whatever is possible in the mind is fair game, as it was abstract thought that came up with such things. your whole view is paramount to that of the experts of yesteryear that were against the notion the earth was round. Explorers proved those notions were wrong. Religion is science of the mind. To take one expert opinion as the unquestionable truth is to completely misunderstand the origin of the beliefs of Sikhism entirely. They arose from questioning, they too are bound to face the same questions, and that's how the Guru's would have wanted it. They never would have wanted a Khasla of sheep, but true believers. Belief comes in many ways, and for the sharp of mind, it can come from discussion.
"the world will try to change you" - you make the world sound insideous. lets talk practical. We're talking proselytizers. Anyone with their wits about them can spot a Jehovahs witness a mile away. It's only the desperate or those who have no original conviction that fall prey to these vultures. and They aren't doing it for their own religion, but just for some bit of satisfaction that has nothing to do with their own religion's definition of salvation. An equally true statement may be, "You as well may try to change the world."
"and then you become a slave to their thinking." - again a bit misguided there. Are we really ever slaves to thinking? Not if we're willing to question.
"or you stand firm and let them change." - you seem to think someone is going to change, and if not you, then them. that's a bit weird. a third alternative could be that neither could change, or a fourth, and the one i believe in, is that Everything and Everyone will change, given time enough.
"guruji's stood firm" - hardly at all. nanak was a hindu? and challenged both his religion of birth as well as the other dominant one of the time, islam. Found they both sucked. and Put together what he felt he gave a shat about in one collection of beliefs. He didn't stand firm at all, but instead found the ground he entered upon from birth was unsteady, and instead decided to forge his own path in life.
"if he would have listened then i believe we would not have been sikhs" - again a bit silly. are you suggesting that we as sikhs should look to the guru's as an example of the benefits of being closed minded? Nah, the guru's were some of the most advanced thinkers of their time. This religion was the result of their intelligence. If you read the granth, there are poems from people of all backgrounds, even those that conflict with sikhism, as our message was a universal one. it cut to the core and heart of many of the worlds religions. remember, religion is the science of the mind, and the unseen.
"why not question your own thoughts" - if we do so, are we not then not following the guru's example? of leading by example, not questioning our own thoughts, and instead going forth with what we know already is true in our hearts, and stepping forth with pride and strength? sikh virtues.
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"it does not matter what you think because you are nothing compared to the guru's" - they were people, ordinary flesh and blood, like we are.
"are you the new guru?" - why bother asking?
"but i stop you from doing your own propoganda" - what propoganda?
"you are nothing... compared to the gurujis" - any human being is equally capable of abstract thought.
"i pity you" - for what reason?
Tuesday, October 13, 2009
random stuff, while sitting in a hotel in the back bay of boston massachusetts, seat of the new england corner of the united states, superpower
you dont know what its like, spending all those years trapped behind a wall of politeness, bound and gagged. in a dark and silent world where nothing grows but the anger. - jim carrey
they're all fucking beigists - billy connolly
a possible boston tuesday:
Melrose Public Library Meetup - 10am tues
energy healing and nutrition support of Massachusetts - 1:30pm tues
Lexington Petitioning - Farmer's Market Harvest Festival - 2pm tues
Ultimate at the Commons - 5:45pm tues
Tai Chi meetup - 6pm tues
Tuesday Evening Run - approc 45 min run - 6:15pm
Mattapan Poetry group - 630pm
FYI: German Food and Beer Tasting - 630pm
Free Interactive workshop on mind and meditation - 7pm
The First Time book writers club for non professionals - 7pm
Writers anonymous (not your typical writers group) 7pm
a possible new york tuesday:
10am williamsburg soccer for people without a job self employed etc.
11am introductory meeting (artists way group)
1230pm dance/theatre meetup
230pm screenwriting workshop
5pm sing new york new york with friends at kareoke
6pm steve vai autograph signing
6pm new york guided meditation group
615pm new york yoga and laugh group
630pm ny rainforest healers social
645pm healing with color light sound and energy
645pm telepathy for beginners
7pm monopoly playtime
7pm bhangra fun fitness
7pm life coaching for creative people and solo practitioners
7pm ny gaming meetup
7pm open traditional irish seisiun
7pm new york city fencing meetup
730pm raw food meetup
8pm nyc british film & telly meetup
830pm tango
9pm jam session tuesdays
its a bit stupid they still call the natives of america indians. they're not from india, so why keep calling 'em it. surely we're advanced enough at this point to be able to say that for sure. its just not the right word.
i still think its better to focus on yourself than blather on about other people.
i hate when people ask if im indian.
its interesting that each seasons lasts only three months.
they're all fucking beigists - billy connolly
a possible boston tuesday:
Melrose Public Library Meetup - 10am tues
energy healing and nutrition support of Massachusetts - 1:30pm tues
Lexington Petitioning - Farmer's Market Harvest Festival - 2pm tues
Ultimate at the Commons - 5:45pm tues
Tai Chi meetup - 6pm tues
Tuesday Evening Run - approc 45 min run - 6:15pm
Mattapan Poetry group - 630pm
FYI: German Food and Beer Tasting - 630pm
Free Interactive workshop on mind and meditation - 7pm
The First Time book writers club for non professionals - 7pm
Writers anonymous (not your typical writers group) 7pm
a possible new york tuesday:
10am williamsburg soccer for people without a job self employed etc.
11am introductory meeting (artists way group)
1230pm dance/theatre meetup
230pm screenwriting workshop
5pm sing new york new york with friends at kareoke
6pm steve vai autograph signing
6pm new york guided meditation group
615pm new york yoga and laugh group
630pm ny rainforest healers social
645pm healing with color light sound and energy
645pm telepathy for beginners
7pm monopoly playtime
7pm bhangra fun fitness
7pm life coaching for creative people and solo practitioners
7pm ny gaming meetup
7pm open traditional irish seisiun
7pm new york city fencing meetup
730pm raw food meetup
8pm nyc british film & telly meetup
830pm tango
9pm jam session tuesdays
its a bit stupid they still call the natives of america indians. they're not from india, so why keep calling 'em it. surely we're advanced enough at this point to be able to say that for sure. its just not the right word.
i still think its better to focus on yourself than blather on about other people.
i hate when people ask if im indian.
its interesting that each seasons lasts only three months.
Saturday, October 10, 2009
stuff that matters.
rowan atkinson sees his older work resurface, blackadder is getting a remastering. link
it seems billy connolly tends to get involved with charitable cases and good-news stories involving fans or something well intentioned. well in this case a man manages to see connolly before passing away. link
eddie izzard has a documentary coming up about his life and driving motivating factors. that's pretty awesome hah, and i'll definately check it out. link
joy formidable spits out a new single link
jim carrey apparently is gaining weight in preperation to play curly in the three stooges alongside benicio del toro and sean penn... strange... interesting... perhaps promising... link
british band little man tate play their last show and call it a day! sorry to hear link
the cribs apparently are planning on releasing another record, with johnny marr, of the smiths. link
british band the maccabees have been doing well this year after releasing an album this summer produced by the guy behind the arcade fire, markus dravs, to decent sales and acclaim. they are currently touring. link
former dirty pretty things frontman carl barat has his solo album underway, taking a break however to perform here and there, once with pete doherty his former libertine bandmate and friend, as well as a member of glasvegas on another occasion link
apparently british band the wombats are playing a massive show before a manchester united football match, AT THE ARENA. awesome job guys. link
months after noel announces he's out, brother liam confirms it, oasis is no more. kaput. finis. link
dutch DJ collaborating with Jonsi of Sigur Ros among others on upcoming disc. Might be worth checking out. link
it seems billy connolly tends to get involved with charitable cases and good-news stories involving fans or something well intentioned. well in this case a man manages to see connolly before passing away. link
eddie izzard has a documentary coming up about his life and driving motivating factors. that's pretty awesome hah, and i'll definately check it out. link
joy formidable spits out a new single link
jim carrey apparently is gaining weight in preperation to play curly in the three stooges alongside benicio del toro and sean penn... strange... interesting... perhaps promising... link
british band little man tate play their last show and call it a day! sorry to hear link
the cribs apparently are planning on releasing another record, with johnny marr, of the smiths. link
british band the maccabees have been doing well this year after releasing an album this summer produced by the guy behind the arcade fire, markus dravs, to decent sales and acclaim. they are currently touring. link
former dirty pretty things frontman carl barat has his solo album underway, taking a break however to perform here and there, once with pete doherty his former libertine bandmate and friend, as well as a member of glasvegas on another occasion link
apparently british band the wombats are playing a massive show before a manchester united football match, AT THE ARENA. awesome job guys. link
months after noel announces he's out, brother liam confirms it, oasis is no more. kaput. finis. link
dutch DJ collaborating with Jonsi of Sigur Ros among others on upcoming disc. Might be worth checking out. link
Tuesday, October 6, 2009
nyc
interesting how new york city is partially sat astride long island, a palce i know relatively little about. apparently there's beaches, and suburbs, and places held high by the local wealthy. apparently queens has nearly one fifth of it made up of asians. apparently there's two native american reservations on long island. they call new york a "melting pot". weird. there's a shitload of artists from long island.
Sunday, October 4, 2009
NY music scene
how is the new york music scene?
famous nyc blogger: http://www.brooklynvegan.com/
hah i guess u2 members are @ carnegie hall tonight, or a few days ago. somewhere around that.
what the fuck is carnegie hall?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Hall
apparently paid for by anderw carnegie and build in 1891, a famous performance hall in nyc.
apparently the band MGMT was formed at a new york college as music majors, heh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_New_York_City
not sure if that helps at all heh.
well apparently the NYC scene is supposed to be getting worse, due to increasing prices and stuff. but, Brooklyn's scene seems to be getting better as Manhattan chaces out the artists with the high prices.
apparently this has NYC shows listed
http://www.ohmyrockness.com/index.cfm
i guess Brooklyn is the place to go to find Columbus Ohio style dives for indie stuff and the like. i dont know, but it might be the spot to look. which'd mean it'd be nice to go to school there... which unfortunately i think wont happen given the fact that there's just no schools there hah. at least not with the CUNY network. but i can check. still, all the same, i haven't seen shit about it.
http://www.grandlifenyc.com/category/music/favorite-venues-stores/
cool site with some cool stuff listed about the music scene and stuff.
famous nyc blogger: http://www.brooklynvegan.com/
hah i guess u2 members are @ carnegie hall tonight, or a few days ago. somewhere around that.
what the fuck is carnegie hall?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Hall
apparently paid for by anderw carnegie and build in 1891, a famous performance hall in nyc.
apparently the band MGMT was formed at a new york college as music majors, heh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_New_York_City
not sure if that helps at all heh.
well apparently the NYC scene is supposed to be getting worse, due to increasing prices and stuff. but, Brooklyn's scene seems to be getting better as Manhattan chaces out the artists with the high prices.
apparently this has NYC shows listed
http://www.ohmyrockness.com/index.cfm
i guess Brooklyn is the place to go to find Columbus Ohio style dives for indie stuff and the like. i dont know, but it might be the spot to look. which'd mean it'd be nice to go to school there... which unfortunately i think wont happen given the fact that there's just no schools there hah. at least not with the CUNY network. but i can check. still, all the same, i haven't seen shit about it.
http://www.grandlifenyc.com/category/music/favorite-venues-stores/
cool site with some cool stuff listed about the music scene and stuff.
random #1
so if i wanted to get into school, supposedly with what im reading im meant to go through their community college program first. which'd be interesting. so i guess the best location i could find was the manhatten campus, but yeah, its interesting stuff. so ive got my eyes on the borough of manhattan community college. for now.
associates in applied science? weird. makes sense. but heh, it's a.a.s. lol.
they don't have a whole hell of alot of choice. i guess the thing is i need tofind out what all i need like to get into the main manhatten school. what classes required and all that. because i want to get into the city university of new york, main campus. so i need to know what i need to be able to do that. i mean just looking at it there's: video arts and technology, small business/entrepreneurship, theatre, writing and literature, business administration. these are all associates dgrees.
apparently there's an october 9th viewing of the place. i guess you have to register for it or whatever.
866.583.5729 - BMCC community college. (borough of manhattan community college). i guess you get in here, get a degree, then get into the bigger one, and the better degree.
television host
the thing about wealthy peopl eis they have so much that i wonder if they even work. what do they do with their time. i dont have access to that kind of money, i have to go out into the world andmake my own fortune. what exactly that will be i dont know. how ill do it, i dontknow. but i like the idea of playing with large sums of money. entrepreneurial business is where its at, see in many other professions there's a hardcap to what you can make, but in business, if youre smart enough, you can create things that are widespread and profitable to the point where its not really a necessity to work any longer. thats teh kind of funditure i'd like to pursue. it's the sort of lifestyle i've had up until now and it's what'll help me continue to live like that in the future. but the excitement is not only the chance at alot of money, but really, it feels like the arena worth competing in. its something that can make you insanely rich, or broke, but thats what makes it all exciting. come up with a company idea, change the world, and reap the reward. richard branson is a guy ive seen doing that. but its pretty awesome, and its definately something i want to get involved in.
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http://www.thelocal.se/22458/20091004/
pirate bay issues drag on, as google recently went through a debacle regarding whether ornot pirate bay was seachable. having read on the founder of google, 36 year old billionaire hailed as visionary, i have a hard time accepting a wikipedia-esque philosophy-bearing dude as a guy whose against the access of a site he'd most likely feel we were all welcome to take a gander at, given the fact that information, as he sees it, is something that's best left free.
if it wasn't for many of these sites, i would've have heard much about stuff i've
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http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/31198.html
lately i've been reading alot about hipsters. now im not sure if i'd call myself one, but things are starting to look that way. i myself don't wear the garb, but i listen to the tunes, and in a way, i do follow the fashion trends too, i just am modest of what i wear, otherwise i like the... flavor of it. im into the culture of it. i come from columbus ohio, or at least that's where i spent four of the last six years. whislt there, i was immersed in hipsterdom, or so i've been told. after all it's been said columbus ohio is the birthplace of hipsters, by certain columbus-residents. i'm not sure i believe it, but i certainly do see alot of the hipster-ish folk out there when i go to visit old friends. the hoodie, colorful clothes and hats, and a certain downward dejection that seems to pull it all together. throw in an eclectic mix of indie music fandom, drug addiction, and party culture, and you've got something along the lines of hipster-ism. whether or not i am one remains to be seen, im not quite sure. my music interest in the indie stems from '03's freshman year @ osu, where i was given oink.me, a site that torrented tunes i'd never before heard, and soon got enamoured in it all. the site eventually disappeared, about two years later, much to my chagrin, but not before i managed to pick through years of brit-pop, as well as a century worth of pop, hits, oldies, jazz, grunge, grime, and the like. new genre's never heard of, a veritable mental renaissance. and then of course i'd go out into the streets and i'd find my people. those that listened to the same, wore sweet stuff, and got laid often. they were my folks. and i guess thats how i was slowly but surely ushered into the world of the hipster. certain places perhaps in the east coast might be called dive bars, but out in columbus, they were just the best place to be. its entirely because the people rocked. not some architecture-phile-like addiction to old and decrepid spaces. in fact those were of course the first bits, the test to voercome, the first scare thatmade you feel unwelcome and uneasy, its only the people that you realized were the best, roaming the ruins of the bars once grand, finding their vestiges of awesome and friendliness.
blackburn is in the news, i was there from couple months old to... i left there in 91 or 2. if it was 91 i would've been 5. 92 woulda been 6. and then uh, 94 and 95. 8 and 9. so i must've been there from like, a few months old to 6. and then 8 to 9. i was in that town. thats now trending.
associates in applied science? weird. makes sense. but heh, it's a.a.s. lol.
they don't have a whole hell of alot of choice. i guess the thing is i need tofind out what all i need like to get into the main manhatten school. what classes required and all that. because i want to get into the city university of new york, main campus. so i need to know what i need to be able to do that. i mean just looking at it there's: video arts and technology, small business/entrepreneurship, theatre, writing and literature, business administration. these are all associates dgrees.
apparently there's an october 9th viewing of the place. i guess you have to register for it or whatever.
866.583.5729 - BMCC community college. (borough of manhattan community college). i guess you get in here, get a degree, then get into the bigger one, and the better degree.
television host
the thing about wealthy peopl eis they have so much that i wonder if they even work. what do they do with their time. i dont have access to that kind of money, i have to go out into the world andmake my own fortune. what exactly that will be i dont know. how ill do it, i dontknow. but i like the idea of playing with large sums of money. entrepreneurial business is where its at, see in many other professions there's a hardcap to what you can make, but in business, if youre smart enough, you can create things that are widespread and profitable to the point where its not really a necessity to work any longer. thats teh kind of funditure i'd like to pursue. it's the sort of lifestyle i've had up until now and it's what'll help me continue to live like that in the future. but the excitement is not only the chance at alot of money, but really, it feels like the arena worth competing in. its something that can make you insanely rich, or broke, but thats what makes it all exciting. come up with a company idea, change the world, and reap the reward. richard branson is a guy ive seen doing that. but its pretty awesome, and its definately something i want to get involved in.
____________
http://www.thelocal.se/22458/20091004/
pirate bay issues drag on, as google recently went through a debacle regarding whether ornot pirate bay was seachable. having read on the founder of google, 36 year old billionaire hailed as visionary, i have a hard time accepting a wikipedia-esque philosophy-bearing dude as a guy whose against the access of a site he'd most likely feel we were all welcome to take a gander at, given the fact that information, as he sees it, is something that's best left free.
if it wasn't for many of these sites, i would've have heard much about stuff i've
____________
http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/31198.html
lately i've been reading alot about hipsters. now im not sure if i'd call myself one, but things are starting to look that way. i myself don't wear the garb, but i listen to the tunes, and in a way, i do follow the fashion trends too, i just am modest of what i wear, otherwise i like the... flavor of it. im into the culture of it. i come from columbus ohio, or at least that's where i spent four of the last six years. whislt there, i was immersed in hipsterdom, or so i've been told. after all it's been said columbus ohio is the birthplace of hipsters, by certain columbus-residents. i'm not sure i believe it, but i certainly do see alot of the hipster-ish folk out there when i go to visit old friends. the hoodie, colorful clothes and hats, and a certain downward dejection that seems to pull it all together. throw in an eclectic mix of indie music fandom, drug addiction, and party culture, and you've got something along the lines of hipster-ism. whether or not i am one remains to be seen, im not quite sure. my music interest in the indie stems from '03's freshman year @ osu, where i was given oink.me, a site that torrented tunes i'd never before heard, and soon got enamoured in it all. the site eventually disappeared, about two years later, much to my chagrin, but not before i managed to pick through years of brit-pop, as well as a century worth of pop, hits, oldies, jazz, grunge, grime, and the like. new genre's never heard of, a veritable mental renaissance. and then of course i'd go out into the streets and i'd find my people. those that listened to the same, wore sweet stuff, and got laid often. they were my folks. and i guess thats how i was slowly but surely ushered into the world of the hipster. certain places perhaps in the east coast might be called dive bars, but out in columbus, they were just the best place to be. its entirely because the people rocked. not some architecture-phile-like addiction to old and decrepid spaces. in fact those were of course the first bits, the test to voercome, the first scare thatmade you feel unwelcome and uneasy, its only the people that you realized were the best, roaming the ruins of the bars once grand, finding their vestiges of awesome and friendliness.
blackburn is in the news, i was there from couple months old to... i left there in 91 or 2. if it was 91 i would've been 5. 92 woulda been 6. and then uh, 94 and 95. 8 and 9. so i must've been there from like, a few months old to 6. and then 8 to 9. i was in that town. thats now trending.
college #4
so apparently the city university is huge. 23 different schools so it says. the site says theyve got a diverse set of kids and over 230 majors. better than bunker hill hah. alot of the kids get financial aid so that's cool for anita.
the city campus looks awesome. like old and built up. apparently founded a fair long time ago. so its pretty nice. october 7th is the next tour of the main campus. @ 11am. its called the city college of new york. they actually have an asian studies major. but im not sure about it. seems a bit too non-india focused.
hah black studies... kinda racist hah. wouldn't they call it african american? that kinda makes me shudder to read. i can't believe they're calling it black studies. and it's a university too. it just seems really strange. that word should've been gotten rid of. if you can see black studies then you can probably see white studies too. kinda shitty. i really dont like that. i would expect something like a learning institution to not carry such a blatantly weighted word on their page.
earth and atmospheric sciences looks AWESOME. im amazed by the sweet ass set of study points they've got. rock solid degree.
the film and video production BFA looks badass. oldest continuous film program in the country. and seems well put together. and what's really cool is the BFA only takes 2 years. thats pretty fuckin quick. downside: only 25 kids get in yearly. what the fuck. thats completely rediculous. why would they keep the seats so limited. thats fucking rediculous. i can' tbelieve they would do that. they should make this shit more available to people. ihave no idea how much of a chance i'd have getting into that program.
the fucking language degree doesn't offer icelandic. what fucking bullshit.
they've actually got a international relations program which's cool. 75 page masters thesis!? damn hah. that's alot of work. seems like its got alot to do with political science. you know, i like this. they like describe their masters thesis as a "chance" for the students as if its a selling point hah. but they are right in saying theyre in the city of the UN. and distinguished teachers sounds promising. i worry with the requirement being a 3.0 gpa. it is a masters program, so its not an undergraduate: it requires undergraduate degree to get involved with it. i could go and do the earth / science thing for under and then apply to this for the graduate or i guess its called masters and do the international relations.
i gues they list the majors by undergraduate and graduate.
and again... the music majors... bfa in performance... in what?... classical or jazz. wha tthe fuck... really now. where's the fucking representiation of every fucking type of music in teh world. this is the sort of truncation i hate to see in the world. i mean i'd've loved to have majored in celtic music or that sort but no... nothing of the sort. i think its just completely fucking rediculous.
philosophy seems kinda stupid.
political science might be cool.
sociology seems fine (boring)
and the women's studies degree... not a single man in the picture. are you fucking kidding me. what a fucking farce that is. alot of disappointments in this university.
the city campus looks awesome. like old and built up. apparently founded a fair long time ago. so its pretty nice. october 7th is the next tour of the main campus. @ 11am. its called the city college of new york. they actually have an asian studies major. but im not sure about it. seems a bit too non-india focused.
hah black studies... kinda racist hah. wouldn't they call it african american? that kinda makes me shudder to read. i can't believe they're calling it black studies. and it's a university too. it just seems really strange. that word should've been gotten rid of. if you can see black studies then you can probably see white studies too. kinda shitty. i really dont like that. i would expect something like a learning institution to not carry such a blatantly weighted word on their page.
earth and atmospheric sciences looks AWESOME. im amazed by the sweet ass set of study points they've got. rock solid degree.
the film and video production BFA looks badass. oldest continuous film program in the country. and seems well put together. and what's really cool is the BFA only takes 2 years. thats pretty fuckin quick. downside: only 25 kids get in yearly. what the fuck. thats completely rediculous. why would they keep the seats so limited. thats fucking rediculous. i can' tbelieve they would do that. they should make this shit more available to people. ihave no idea how much of a chance i'd have getting into that program.
the fucking language degree doesn't offer icelandic. what fucking bullshit.
they've actually got a international relations program which's cool. 75 page masters thesis!? damn hah. that's alot of work. seems like its got alot to do with political science. you know, i like this. they like describe their masters thesis as a "chance" for the students as if its a selling point hah. but they are right in saying theyre in the city of the UN. and distinguished teachers sounds promising. i worry with the requirement being a 3.0 gpa. it is a masters program, so its not an undergraduate: it requires undergraduate degree to get involved with it. i could go and do the earth / science thing for under and then apply to this for the graduate or i guess its called masters and do the international relations.
i gues they list the majors by undergraduate and graduate.
and again... the music majors... bfa in performance... in what?... classical or jazz. wha tthe fuck... really now. where's the fucking representiation of every fucking type of music in teh world. this is the sort of truncation i hate to see in the world. i mean i'd've loved to have majored in celtic music or that sort but no... nothing of the sort. i think its just completely fucking rediculous.
philosophy seems kinda stupid.
political science might be cool.
sociology seems fine (boring)
and the women's studies degree... not a single man in the picture. are you fucking kidding me. what a fucking farce that is. alot of disappointments in this university.
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